SuperSax New Mexico
On Feburary 7, 2013 SuperSax New Mexico played at University of New Mexico in Keller Hall as part of "Sax Day".
On August 11, 2012 the group played a concert, and here is SuperSax New Mexico playing "Salt Peanuts" at the Jazz Under The Stars presented
by the NM Jazz Workshop.
The soloists were Bert Dalton (piano), Sam Reid (alto sax) and Bobby Shew (trumpet).
The lead alto was played by Sam Reid, the remaining personnel was the same as previous performances. Photos of SSNM by Victoria Rogers.
The Arts Journal "Rifftides" published an article
called "Salt Peanuts In The Hinterlands" by Doug Ramsey.
Here is a review of the "Jazz Under the Stars" concert by Jack Bowers
(contributing writer for "All About Jazz")
SuperSax New Mexico Review #2
December 1, 2011 SuperSax New Mexico performed at the Outpost Performance Space in Albuquerque, New Mexico at 7:30 pm.
The concert was sold out three days in advance!!
Here is a review of the Outpost concert by Jack Bowers
(contributing writer for "All About Jazz")
SuperSax New Mexico Review
The personnel was the same as the May 21 concert, which included Bobby Shew on trumpet and flugelhorn.
Cool Blues |
Recorded at KUNM on 5-15-11 by Roman Garcia and produced by Mark Weber
On August 12, 2011 the group played at the Crossroads Church in Los Alamos, New Mexico at 7 pm.
This SuperSax New Mexico performance included some additional Med Flory and Warne Marsh arrangements.
The personnel was the same as the debut concert except that trombonist Ben Finberg was playing the brass solos.
On May 21, 2011, SuperSax New Mexico performed our debut show at
the Scottish Rite Center in Santa Fe at 7 pm. The show featured:
Arlen Asher on Alto Sax
Dave Anderson on Alto Sax
Kanoa Kaluhiwa on Tenor Sax
Lee Taylor on Tenor Sax
Glenn Kostur on Baritone Sax
Bert Dalton on Piano
Michael Glynn on Bass
Cal Haines on Drums
Bobby Shew on Trumpet
The show was presented in partnership with the Scottish Rite Center.
A portion of the tickets sales was donated to the Center.
Below is an essay on Med Flory's Supersax, written by Mark Weber.
SUPERSAX -- The Band That Played Bird
by Mark Weber
Supersax was a big deal. In Los Angeles there was a lot of buzz
about this band that intended to play the music of Charlie Parker. The jazz
radio stations kept us apprised of their impending flight. And it was a big
deal that they set for themselves, to play the music of Charlie Parker is no walk
in the park. But these guys grew up with Bird's music, they revered his music, and
walk in the park or not, they saw it as pure love. As well, they always looked
like they were having fun. Perfectly capturing Bird's joie de vivre, the buoyancy, the
exhilaration Bird put into the amazing thing to be alive. And playing five saxophones
in harmony straight into the sky.
That was always one of the extra bonuses of seeing Supersax live was Med Flory's humor
and old-school hipster demeanor. Always a comfort to know that hipsters still exist. Being
a hipster in such a conservative town like Los Angeles is tantamount to being a political statement.
Keep the squares guessing. ( I was wondering why I don't have more photos of Supersax until I
realized that I didn't start taking my camera to jazz functions until the summer of 1976.)
And in the wake of their success two other similar outfits popped up in Los Angeles. Dave Pell
put together his immortal Prez Conference playing the music of the master of time & space,
Lester Young. And Tony Rizzi & His Five Guitars jumped up to play the music of Charlie Christian.
And then, by extension, in a similar vein, and to a lesser degree (because they didn't harmonize iconic solos)
was Bobby Knight's Great American Trombone Company that worked around North Hollywood 1977-1978.
Six trombones + rhythm section. The one CD that exists sports Carl Fontana, Rosolino, Charlie Loper,
Lew McCreary, Phil Teele, & Knight on trombones, with Lou Levy, Chuck Berghofer, & Frankie Capp.
Supersax was 5 saxophones plus rhythm section. This was the basic
band -- a nonet -- augmented with addition of a trumpet (most usually Conte Candoli) or a
trombone (Frank Rosolino or Carl Fontana) -- And on their third Capitol album a string orchestra,
and in later years the addition of L.A. Voices for three albums.
They had the town sewn up. Gigs everywhere. Their fledgling formal debut performance was at
Donte's in the Valley, (aka San Fernando Valley), December 1972. Then Shelly's Manne-Hole,
the Parisian Room, repeatedly at Dontes, every Sunday at Dontes, the Playboy Club in Beverly Hills,
The Times in Studio City, the Improv in Santa Monica, then up north to Monterey Jazz Festival
(September 1973 --Dizzy sat in! ) which was broadcast over the southland via KBCA (Where are these recordings?)
Onward to Hollywood Bowl, Hungry Joe's (Where Stan Getz sat in! ), Pilgrimage Theatre, and all over town and down
to San Diego. Subsequent gigs in NYC on 52nd street, back and forth from Detroit to Chicago (at Ratzo's Zoot shared the bill
with them, and sat in on their set! ) Wow. Med told me, "Chicago and Detroit were really our best towns." They loved Supersax.
The idea for this project laid its seeds in 1955 when Med Flory caught Woody Herman's Band
at Basin Street in NYC and they played Shorty Rogers' arrangement of "I've Got News For You"
that incorporates Bird's chorus from "Dark Shadows" amongst the scenery. (Recorded Dec. 22, 1947.)
(Ralph Burns wrote the "Dark Shadows" chorus for Shorty's arrangement.) This would be the
The genesis of Supersax seems to follow a thread surrounding "Just Friends." In the liner notes
to the first Supersax album Med talks about his friend Joe Maini: "Joe was working in a big band I had
around Los Angeles when I wrote out the Parker solo on 'Star Eyes' for full saxophone section. Then I
did the introduction on 'Just Friends' and Joe, who memorized Bird's solo note for note gave me the
lead line for the rest of the chart." (Note that this is Med's big band The Jazz Wave that was borrowed by
Terry Gibbs)(also interesting to note that of the 7 CDs extant of this Terry Gibbs Dream Band there are no
recordings of Med's two charts mentioned above). Never the less, "Just Friends" has followed Med
around for years. He has adapted it for almost every format available in jazz. In it's nascent
stages there is a tantalizing aside among Med's liner notes to the Supersax JAPANESE TOUR cd
that . . . "we taped 'Just Friends' in '64 just before Joe died." WHERE IS THIS RECORDING? Wow.
As well, the co-founder of Supersax, Buddy Clark, speaks of listening to this recording, too. After Maini's
untimely death the idea of harmonizing Bird for saxophones was shelved for awhile until 1971 when
Buddy put a fire under Med to get it going again. In the intervening years Med brought this tinkered
chart onto Los Angeles mainstay Mike Barone's Big Band . . .
Regarding "Just Friends" with the Mike Barone Big Band, Gary Foster told
me he remembers playing Med's chart with Mike's Big Band (1968-1969) at their regular gig at Donte's,
here's Mike's email [April 16, 2011]:
Mark, I just remember that Med brought the sax chart in and we read it on the gig. Then after a while (weeks?)
he brought the big band chart in and same thing. I think we played it every week after that. "Supersax" did start in my band. Can't tell you the date.
-- Mike Barone
And when I asked Med about Supersax beginning in Mike's big band, he said, "In a way, yeh."
And added, "Mike is a terrific, talented, great guy, hell of a trombone player, too."
Have you ever heard Med's additional lyrics to "Just Friends"? He's a certifiable wordsmith. On
volume 2 of SUPERSAX WITH L.A. VOICES (Columbia Records, circa 1984) here's Med's introductory verse:
There they are
In their favorite bar
Wondering where their love has gone
In their favorite booth
Smiling sadly at the truth
That it's time to say goodbye
Co-founder Buddy Clark left the band in late 1975. The bass chair after his departure was held down
mostly by Monty Budwig and Fred Atwood.
Med said, "When we started Buddy used to write the charts and he didn't know anything then, so
I was teaching him how to write for saxes and he turned out to be a genius. Buddy was tough, he
It's not like this sort of idea was new, composers and arrangers have been harmonizing
music since the cave man days. What was new was the idea of taking a genius solo
off a record and re-imaging that as composition in itself. Proof that improvising is actually
spontaneous composition. That improvisors are essentially spontaneous composers.
My mind immediately gravitates toward Lennie Tristano when it comes to the practice of
learning iconic solos.
Connie Crothers clarified that Lennie asked students to try three things.
1) Sing along with solos on records.
2) Sing away from the records.
3) Then play the solos on your instrument, learn the notes, internalize the notes, go to the feeling
behind the notes, understand the solo on the feeling level.
Lennie wanted his students to get away from the written note, to learn to listen, to learn by ear.
"The written note is nowhere in this," Connie said, adding, "and Lennie wasn't concerned that you
memorize, to memorize implies that you are working at it and he wasn't for that. Singing was the
big door-opener for me."
Transcribing solos off records and/or playing along with records is certainly
not new, but Warne Marsh, Lee Konitz, and Ted Brown would memorize these iconic
solo improvisations and use them for launching into further improvisations. Most commonly
using Lester Young's recordings.
Saxophone sections have been harmonizing in jazz as far back as Don Redman and Bill
Challis in the early 1920s. Duke Ellington's saxophone section and Jimmy Lunceford's
saxophone section are extreme examples of what mellifluous heights can be achieved by
these reed buzzing metal tubes with holes in them.
Other obvious predecessors would be Zoot Sims' 1956 album PLAYS TENOR & 4 ALTOS
arranged by George Handy. And you could look to the Sauter-Finegan Orchestra, the
Benny Goodman Orchestras of the 30s, and certainly Nelson Riddle's studio orchestras
of the 50s. As well, all the harmonization going on in vocal quartets from The Four Freshman
and the HiLos and Lambert, Hendricks & Ross in the 50s all the way back to the harmonizing
quartets of the black Mississippi Delta of the 30s. Also, you have to take into account the
Hollywood Saxophone Quartet, who were not strictly jazz players but A-list studio musicians,
who recorded a couple memorable albums in 1955 for Capitol with arrangements by Billy May,
Lennie Niehaus, Russ Garcia, Marty Paich, and others.
The isolated instance of Bix Beiderbecke's solo from "Singing the Blues" (rec. Feb. 4, 1927) had
been used as a vehicle for singers and horn sections simply because it was such a sensation for
its time, and even an orchestrated version recorded by Frankie Trambauer's Orchestra where Frankie's
original saxophone solo that he recorded with Bix was orchestrated for this larger outfit
(rec. Jan. 10, 1929). Prettier sounds you've never heard -- I'm listening to it right now, wow.
In the strictest sense, the first harmonized Charlie Parker solo for four saxophones you have
to hear Hal McKusick's "Now's the Time," where Hal commissioned Ernie Wilkins to write the
chart for this masterpiece (rec. 1958). Hal says that the only previous instance of harmonizing a Bird
solo was the Ralph Burns "Dark Shadows" but he hadn't heard that at the time of his recording.
"Ernie was a saxophonist so I knew he could have some fun with it, otherwise, I could have written it
out." Ernie Wilkins used a canon-like idea, "like one sax was slightly behind the beat, very effective."
Then he harmonized Bird's solo in a flight so beautiful for four saxes it raises you up out of your chair
and you want to shout. Hal went on to say that as a teenager he would write out Lester Young's
solos so that he could play them, and doubts that he was the only one to do this. But, as to
harmonizing Bird solos his "Now's the Time" is the first, subsequent to the "Dark Shadows" quotes.
A most obvious precursor to me would be Jimmy Giuffre's writing "Four Brothers" for Woody Herman's
Orchestra recorded in December of 1947. (Jimmy Giuffre fully acknowledges the influence that Gene
Roland's ideas had on this four saxophone concept.)
And then there was the 1959-1961 Terry Gibbs Dream Band in Los Angeles that sat most
of the saxophone section that would become Supersax.
And don't forget Jimmy Giuffre's 1958 recordings of multi-tracked tenor saxophones done in the
Music Barn at the Lenox School of Music. (See the cd THE SWAMP PEOPLE.)
And then you must factor in the 1959 Art Pepper + Eleven album with arrangements by Marty Paich
on several Bird tunes and Bird-associated tunes.
ALSO the 1966 album BUD SHANK & THE SAX SECTION with charts by Bob Florence for four
saxes + rhythm section -- Bud Shank, Bob Cooper, Bill Perkins, Bob Hardaway, John Lowe,
all Hollywood stalwarts backed by Ray Brown, Dennis Budimer, and Larry Bunker.
AND an absolute close relative is the December 4 & 5, 1957 sessions by a Gerry Mulligan Octet
that recorded seven tunes that are indispensable to the history, released as THE GERRY
MULLIGAN SONGBOOK, with saxophonists Lee Konitz, Allen Eager, Zoot Sims, Al Cohn,
and Gerry + rhythm section of Freddie Green, Henry Grimes, & Dave Bailey, arranged by Bill
Holman ( ! )
So, you see, the concept is not new, but what was new was the idea of harmonizing not only
the original melody but also the subsequent improvisation thereupon.
Certainly, one of the high-points of this approach has to be Lee Konitz & Gary Foster's quintet
recordings (and concerts) in Japan during November 1995 where they used Warne Marsh's
recorded improvisations upon previous iconic improvisations to further add their own improvisations!
(see the cd BODY AND SOUL.)
Later developments in saxophone harmonization began with the one tune on Anthony Braxton's
immortal album NEW YORK, FALL 1974, that has the nascent beginnings of the World Saxophone
Quartet, which along with ROVA, took this idea and ran with it. Also, Steve Lacy's equally immortal
five-saxophone album SAXOPHONE SPECIAL, 1974. And in the 1980s Odean Pope's
Saxophone Choir for eight saxophones + rhythm section (hear their album THE SAXOPHONE
SHOP, 1985 and their cd LOCKED & LOADED, 2004). AND Sam Rivers eleven-saxophone
ensemble The Winds of Manhattan with the cd COLOURS, 1982.
Supersax made eleven albums and four tours of Japan. The saxophonists that passed through its
ranks were all veterans of the big bands and therefor were knowing in the ways of horn section
blending. ( I asked the tenor saxophonist Doug Lawrence of the current Count Basie Orchestra
what his most important job was and he said without missing a beat: "Blending.")
Saxophonists involved were Med Flory, Joe Lopes, Warne Marsh, Jack Nimitz, Jay Migliori, Lanny
Morgan, Ray Reed, Don Menza, Bill Perkins, Bill Hood, Gary Foster, a short but staggering list.
The pivot note between a half
diminished chord and the minor seven
The avocado seed sprouting in a water glass
on the windowsill suspended with toothpicks
The stillness before the ghost of Santa Ana
sends his winds
The eucalyptus, bamboo, and bougainvillea
The mystery of it all, a Lighthouse in Hermosa
Beach radiating a pulsing beacon
In Los Angeles we got a big kick over that top-40
song about how "It never rains in southern Calif-
ornia," ha ha ha, you'd hear it on the car radio
as we were hydroplaning down the freeways
when it rains in southern California it is hard and
torrential and doesn't stop for nine or ten days
When those storms blow in from the Pacific
you better check the air in your life raft
It's a car thing
And Los Angeles is all freeway
Much of a jazzer's life is spent late at night
traversing the city by freeway
And before GPS and Mapquest we all used
spiral-bound Thomas Bros map books
or directions from a friend, "Take the 110 south, get off at
Artesia, take that west to 101, bring that south to Pier"
(remember when the 110 was the 11?)
and remember when gas stations used to give out maps?
Driving you never feel the quakes --
you get home and turn on the TV and they're chattering like
monkeys at feeding time at the zoo (newscasters imported
from the East) like this never happens, a 3.2 earthquake, so
you were on the road and missed it, driving home from
Surrounded by mountains and mountain lions
salamanders, lizards, ground squirrels, crows & hawks
incense cedars, pines, and Doug fir
California is alive and crawling . . .
And then out of your car radio
comes Bird played by five saxophones
carrying the night, connecting the lights
I sometimes wonder if the arrival of Supersax in 1972 was exaggerated in my mind simply because
this was the year I was first looking into Charlie Parker's music ( I was age 19 ). These were the years
that Bird's Dial recordings were finally re-issued on the English Spotlite label and we paid dearly
for those six volumes (on LP). The Verve recordings had remained easily available but the Dials had been out of print for years, until 1973. The Savoys were in disarray until finally compiled and re-issued in 2000.
Los Angeles jazz scholar Kirk Silsbee (same age as myself ) reminds me that:
Supersax appeared when the renewed interest in bebop and innovators was stirred up
by Ross Russell's Bird biog and the prodigious jazz reissue programs that were
flooding the market with twofer sets of the original recordings. No one was using the
term "jazz repertory" yet but that's precisely what Supersax was doing: interpreting
classic material in a creative way.
Why were there no saxophone solos on Supersax records? As Med told me, "Supersax is all about
Bird, period." Supersax played the line unadorned. In fact, Med harmonized the line all within the
octave so as not to detract from what Bird was saying. There are no impressionistic harmonies employed
or vast intricate extension of chords other than what illuminates exactly what Bird said. Supersax was
not conceived as a vehicle for its star saxophonists to take solos. That was not the premise. Even though,
as a matter of verisimilitude indicative of the arrangers mind solos did exist in Supersax, almost
merely as architecture. This band wasn't about solos. It was about Charlie Parker.
One imagines that someday more live Supersax recordings will be released. There are certainly
enough performance recordings in existence, circulating among collectors. This was the era of
the portable cassette recorder ( in the 1970s a "portable" was the size of a Webster's Collegiate Dictionary).
Because in their concerts Supersax did not eschew saxophone solos. The thing is, once you add 3 or 4 solos at 4 or
5 choruses apiece you wind up with a ten-minute tune. Which translates to only 4 tunes on an LP. It was executive producer
Mauri Lathower that stuck to his guns and requested they lose the solos for their Capitol releases, and I think Mauri was right.
Those shorter versions got themselves onto the radio where the longer versions would have been reserved for 3am radio.
It was Mauri who heard them at Donte's at their public debut and the reaction was so electric that
he knew he had to sign them. Donte's was your standard jazz club of that era -- I'd guess the
capacity was about 100 -- you could pay $2.50 to sit at one of the tiny little round tables or in
booths surrounding the walls OR for free you could stand at the long bar that faced the band
stand on the opposite wall, separated by a pony wall (cut off at four feet). At the front door was a
night blooming jasmine bush who's luscious aroma was so strong we had to wash it down with
When I asked Med how involved John Palladino was as a producer he said that he was totally
on the job, "He was the greatest, don't leave him out." And his opinion of Mauri Lathower, the executive producer, is equally as high,
"...just the greatest, don't ignore him, just the greatest." So, in early 1973
Supersax recorded their legendary first session at Capitol Records studios (the studios are on the rectangular bottom floor
of the famous ten-story round building in Hollywood.) Med tells me that Bill
Perkins was on these first sessions. And so, John Palladino takes the tapes upstairs to Mauri's
office and it was Mauri who realized then that to make this work we needed shorter versions. So,
rather than edit the first session they went back into the studio (February 1, 4, 10, 1973 ) and put
together the album we've come to know as SUPERSAX PLAYS BIRD. Bill Perkins had left the
band prior to these sessions and Joe Lopes replaced him. Jay Migliori replaced Pete Christlieb.
Lou Levy came on the band in the middle of recording their second album SALT PEANUTS, replacing
Walter Bishop Jr.
To those that lament the lack of saxophone solos please note that from what Connie Crothers
tells me Warne Marsh thought the whole Supersax thing was great, "Warne was very excited
about it, he thought it was the greatest thing, he was on fire with it." (Warne was with Supersax
July 1972 - mid-1977.)
Talking with Med in North Hollywood over the telephone:
"When Bill Hood left, he was playing tenor, that's when we picked up Warne Marsh. He was fixing tv
sets at the time, 'course they were into movie money, his mom had this great place with a tennis
court and swimming pool on Laurel Canyon Boulevard, but he was just sensational, that guy, Warne
Marsh, you know I listened to him for years, he must have been on the band ten years, at least.
Everywhere we'd go back east there'd be a bunch of strange-looking people coming, they didn't give
a rat's ass about the saxes, they just came to hear Warne. You know, so I'd turn him loose and gawd
he was good. The only time I ever heard him choke was when we were playing down at Hungry Joe's
[Huntington Beach] and Stan Getz sat in. Did I tell you this story? Maury Stein, who had Stein on
Vine [music store across street from Local 47], great guy, good tenor player, terrific in his time.
Anyway, he brought Stanley down with him to the gig and I said, "Come on." So, he's standing behind
me looking at the tenor part, or my part [alto], it didn't matter which because he wasn't playing on it,
you know, but I could see his hands shaking, like that, and it was weird, and then he started to play
and I've never heard anybody play that good, before or since, he just tore it up! And a good tempo,
too, "Moose the Mooch" boop be bah, right in there, great tempo for tenor, you know, and he just
killed it, and he went on and on and on and got better and better and better and the joint fell down!
And then Warne got up to play, I don't remember if they were playing a duet, or what, but he couldn't
play, everything he started he'd have to break off in the middle, because his mind wasn't clear. He
took a bath that day, you know, but that was the only time he was below his potential. Gawd, he was
unlike, I mean, there was nobody played like Warne! He just had his own thing."
I asked the same question I had asked Connie Crothers about how I sometimes get the feeling that
Warne is thinking about chords too much when he's playing. (But, when Warne is thinking about
chords, it's stratospherically beyond what we normally think of as changes.) And Connie said, No,
Warne had it all ingrained and was mostly concerned about making music. He didn't have to "think"
Med picked it up from there, "Oh, yeh. Just like Bird he had every key down. He was at home in any
key. I'm 84 and there's still a couple of keys in there [chuckling] I sometimes have to think a little
bit. No, he wasn't encumbered by any kind of rules, you know, he made his own rules, he was too
much. Nobody like him. Had a lot of great players in that band . . ."
I asked if Conte was on the band when Dizzy sat in at Monterey?
Med said with satisfaction, "Yeh."
I asked, "Did Conte and Dizzy just trade?"
Med said, "I don't know how it went, really, it's been a long time, but Count, whew, you know, just
being on stage with Diz.... I told you what Diz said about Conte? He said that Conte was the closest
to him when it came to playing bebop, that Conte was the most like him. He told me that so I didn't
get it from anybody else. He knew. Just listen to Count on those L.A. Voices albums, what he does is
just so fuckin' gorgeous, so unlike anything else. ANd then you got Lou to listen to, his brain, he played
with singers so much he knew how to fill in, he was the greatest at it."
I asked if Dizzy played the entire set?
Med said, "I don't remember but he showed up pretty early."
I said, "He must have been in ecstasy."
Med said, "He loved us. He said, Why don't you do something in unison? I said, No, we already tried
that, it's gotta be harmony. (He said) Well, you oughta do it. And I said, No, no, no. You know, he
had to give me some advice, ha ha ha, what a great cat, geezus."
Then I why some enterprising record company didn't record Supersax + Dizzy Gillespie, then I said,
"Well, you had Count."
Med said ruefully, "Yeh, we weren't looking for a trumpet player."
I asked if Supersax ever played dates without a trumpet or trombone. "I don't think so. If we did, I
forgot. But it had to be way way back there. Once we got started it was always nine guys.
I asked about Bill Perkins departure after the first (unreleased) Capitol session. Apparently Perk didn't
want to mess with re-recording "KoKo." Med said, "Those poor tenor players in the middle playing
all that stuff. We used to tacit everybody else out and just play the two tenors together. It sounded
like a couple drunken bees. You know, at record dates when we were just screwing around, we'd
already recorded the thing, so we'd just play those two parts in the room just for laughs, and it was
I asked about his technique of utilizing a rub in the harmonization. He explained that a rub is a
half-step interval between either the 2nd alto & 1st tenor, or the 1st tenor & 2nd tenor, or the
baritone & the tenor.
Now that Med has explained that to me I can hear it plain as day.
I asked what would it sound like if you didn't put the rub in the sax section, would it be too sweet?
Med said, "It'd sound like every other sax section in the world -- sixth diminished, sixth diminished,
sixth diminished -- that kind of thing, but it's lazy, pre-school.
I do it (the rub) in the brass, too, everything. When I got a big chord with the brass I'm looking for
something to really screw it up in there, you know? to make it sound [like]: What kind of animal is
that? I like to think of the band like it's a gawd damn big animal, so if you're standing in front of the
stage your hair will blow back!
Then we talked about his upcoming sessions with his big band The Jazz Wave and the work
on the new album called BEBOP 101.
I asked him about the eight year span between the first sax charts he wrote and the demo recording
session of the three tunes at Tutti Camarata's studio in Hollywood -- "Just Friends," "Chasin' the
Bird," & "Star Eyes" -- recorded just before Joe Maini got away from us (d. May 8, 1964).
Med & Joanie had left NYC for the Coast on the evening of Christmas Day 1955. Shortly thereafter in Los Angeles
his old friend Joe Maini came by and sold him the record player of dubious origin and among the
stack of records was Bud Powell's MOODS album . . . "So, I started playing that thing and the first thing I
wrote was 'Blues for Alice.' "
So, this was 1956, I asked, and you harmonized it for five saxophones?
Med said, "Yeh. Lead alto and baritone doubling the lead an octave and everything else filling in.
So, then I wrote 'Star Eyes' and 'Just Friends.'"
So, maybe this demo has four tunes? All of us Supersax fanatics would sure love to hear this stuff.
At such speeds the Supersax
must turn themselves over to telepathy
floating in the gravitational field of Charlie Parker
loquats, lemons, California's cornucopia
"When I first heard Supersax I just couldn't believe what I was
hearing, I couldn't believe it, it was so together --
being a big band freak and a saxophone player I was tuned
into each individual player, and the artistic vision of Charlie Parker,"
sayeth clarinet master Bill Payne, who was on the road playing horn with
Barnam & Bailey for 13 years.
Tenor saxophonist Ted Brown sends this note [email 17apr11]:
We were visiting my family in Long Beach over the Christmas Holidays in 1972 and spent one night in
Pasadena with Warne, Geraldyne, Bill Hood and Julie McDonald at her home. Supersax had just played their
first gig at Donte's and Bill Hood had a tape of it which just blew my mind...
especially when I heard the 5 saxes doing Bird's break on "Night In Tunisia."
He said they had been rehearsing those charts in someone's garage for 14 months
before they did that gig. But maybe there is more to the story.
Another unique characteristic of Supersax was that counter to what some artists will do with
a project like this: pick a composer and cover their music for a couple concerts and an album and
be done with it, Supersax took on Bird and stuck with it for twenty-plus years.
Woodwinds maestro Gary Foster sent me this email [April 15, 2011]:
Your writing about Supersax is very interesting to me. In the late 1960’s I was Bill Perkins’ sub on
the second alto chair with Mike Barone’s big band. The band played at Donte’s every Wednesday for six
months and was off for six months. Mike’s sax section was Med Flory, Perk, Tom Scott, Bill Hood and Jack Nimitz.
I was waiting by the phone each week for a call from Perk. In the Barone book was the first orchestrated Bird solo I
had ever played – that was Bird’s solo on “Just Friends” from Bird With Strings. I am sure that Med wrote that arrangement.
It was thrilling to play and, of course, Med knew and played the lead alto (Bird’s solo) perfectly. The baritone sax part was an
exact duplicate of the lead part (sounding an octave lower) so the voicing was four part harmony ala Guiffre’s Four Brothers voicing
with the solo voice doubled on the bottom. All other SS arrangements that followed were written in the same way except for a few written by Warne.
More on that later. I believe that the “Just Friends” arrangement had been played by Terry Gibbs band earlier. Med also played in Terry’s band.
From 1971, I was a member of Laurindo Almeida’s quartet, replacing Bud Shank there. Buddy Clark, who became co-leader of SS was the bass
and Chuck Flores was the drummer with Laurindo. When SS formed for their first club dates, the band was Med, Perk, Jay Miglori, Pete Christlieb and Nimitz.
The first added soloist was Count and the rhythm was Buddy, Jake Hanna and Lou Levi. As they got started with regular nights at Donte’s it was very exciting.
I went to hear them and Perk called me to be his sub there. It was very challenging music. Occasionally I subbed for Perk on second alto. One night working with
Laurindo, Buddy asked me to sub for Pete C. at a rehearsal the next day. I wasn’t available and suggested Warne. That was the first hook up of Warne with SS.
As the recordings reflect, there were no saxophone solos on the early recordings. The soloists were trumpet or trombone and piano.
I remember driving Warne to the airport for their trip to Japan. Warne eventually wrote a few arrangements for the band. Bird’s solo on
“Now’s The Time” was extraordinary. Warne, however, would not write in the always parallel voicing style of the other arrangements and his
arrangements had contrary motion in the baritone parts. SS played Warne’s arrangements live but did not record any of them that I know of.
The Los Angeles drummer Dick Berk used to sub for Jake Hanna (post-1975 -- because before that he was touring with Cal Tjader)
and I called him in Portland OR and asked him to give me a quote, and he thought
a minute and then said: "If you couldn't play with Bird, at least you could play with Supersax!"
I told that to Med and he laughed, "Yeh, Dick Berk, great drummer, New York time, subbed for Jake,
terrific drummer, great cat, salt of the earth," pronouncing it salt of the oith.
Regarding Lennie Tristano's pedagogy Ted Brown email [April 16, 2o11]:
It is true that Lennie encouraged his students to memorize some of the great solos of Pres,
Bird and others but that was just a learning tool. He mainly wanted students to sing the solos to develop
a feel for a good melodic line. He never suggested they play them or write them out or do them in a group of 4 or 5 horns.
Some of us wrote them out and played them for our own use...in fact I had been doing that before I started with Lennie...and
we did use one with Willie Dennis and Ronnie Ball on Tickeltoe in 1956.
The earliest group I remember using that approach was Woody Herman's band around 1945-46 when one of his arrangers took part
of a Dizzy Gillespie solo and harmonized it for the trumpet section...but that was only for 8 or 16 bars...not a whole tune...but it was very impressive.
There was also a great solo that Bird made on a blues with a male singer..... Woody's band took that Bird solo and slipped
it into another one of their charts...perhaps I've Got News For You?...or The Goof And I?...can't think of the title...but that also worked out great.
Also, Dave Pell and Bill Holman did some charts of Lester Young solos which they called Prez Conference...but that never had the same impact that Supersax did.
And in 1956 Warne and I did Prez's solo on I Never Knew...also Warne, Art Pepper and I did Prez's solo on Broadway.
Hope that helps.
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I'll let you in on a little secret:
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they are merely good people who write poems
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What was Charlie Parker?
: a combination astro-physicist
and adept at time travel.
Over the telephone with Charles McPherson we spoke at length of the grandeur that
is the musical accomplishments of Charlie Parker and he explained many of the complexities
of this music that Supersax faced.
MW : Charles, I regard you as one of the world's preeminent Charlie Parker scholars
and feel lucky you've always welcomed my questions when it comes to Charlie
Parker, so, as I've been immersing myself in the work of Supersax lately, I wondered
what your thoughts were on that band?
CM: Well, I think they did about as good a job as you could do on some things. On a project
that complicated and tricky, they were about pretty clean, the saxophone players, and it
was a novel idea for sure, and great to hear Bird. It's almost like Bird in more than one voice,
harmonized like that, it was great. I thought it was interesting, I wish they were still around
doing things. Yeh, I was quite impressed, actually.
And Bird is a very very tricky guy to do this with because rhythmically there's some
stuff that Bird does that damn near defies notation. I mean, to get it exactly like the way he
might have really done it rhythmically is almost -- you know -- What guys almost always
do is they end up rounding off, if you will, boxing it. You know, putting it in a box, to make it
more defined or more easily put in a box, let's put it that way. And Bird's rhythm was so
subtle, about as micro as you can be in terms of slicing the beat up into little bitty pieces.
Okay, now these pieces, you know, it's just like slicing an atom you can slice forever and
things just get smaller and smaller. Well, where Bird would start phrases would be so
in between in between. And he could nail it. But, to write that? and actually have people play
that? is quite difficult and these guys [Supersax] came pretty close to doing that.
MW: You know how Bird would do that horse laugh-like thing, like on "Blue N Boogie" --
would that be possible to notate?
CM: Yeh, you might be able to do that. You could get close to that. I think the hardest thing
about Bird is the rhythm. I can remember there were people like Lou Donaldson who
was around at that time, and still around, when he talks about the old days when Bird was
in New York, he said -- this is interesting -- he said: That when we heard Sonny Stitt then we
understood Charlie Parker. Because, Sonny Stitt rounded off, he put it in a place rhythmically
where it's sort of boxed. He boxed it. And we went AH! Okay, now I see! [Stitt] just made it
[obvious], Lou said. But, we could never to the nth degree do what Charlie Parker was doing.
You just can't do it, it's too forensic. To get that forensic to really nail the rhythmic nuances of
that, is like we couldn't do that, we couldn't hear that. But, Sonny boxed it, you know, rather than
this little micro-beat hear, he just made it a bigger micro, and made it maybe a half-a-macro
[chuckling] and that boxed it and it was: Ah ha, I see. He just made it more understandable, or
maybe attainable, let's put it that way.
Because, Sonny Stitt, compared to Bird is a straighter. He's more of a straight line. In
other words, let's say if you would take accents and make it a line going from point A to point B,
or make it from one basketball end of the court down to the other basket at the other end of the
court. Okay, there are several ways you an get down there. You can get down there in a straight
line, just run down there and just make the basket, fine. Or, you can zigzag like Michael Jordan
where it is so tricky that you can't -- I mean, he's so, whew -- that's why people are falling
all over themselves trying to check him, because he's not going to be where people think he is,
'cause he's gonna turn on a dime. So, when he goes down the court it's going to be serpentine.
And in a zigzag fashion and the accents would be him pivoting in a point in time in unexpected
places. That's different than going down the court in a straight line. That's the difference between
Charlie Parker and about 90% of everybody else.
MW: Parker never sounded like he was affecting a consciously modern approach, even though he
most certainly was a modernist composer. It seemed so natural.
CM: Oh yeh. He was a natural. And, I don't think he was "trying" to do anything. You know, you see
that's the difference, it's more Zen than that, there's no "trying." He just is. There's no
"trying." That's for other people. Bird was just what he was. He was a natural-born genius
and that's it. Nothing else to say. Even though, he had left brain -- like that interview he did with
Paul Desmond, lets people know that he had both left and right brain, he had the whole shebang,
maybe that's what real genius is, because, in that interview, Paul asked Where did you get this
technique my gawd, and Bird says: Well, it wasn't done with mirrors. I practiced eleven to fifteen hours
a day every day for about three years.
Well, okay, so that's left brain right there. So, he's natural -- then
he also said in that same interview: It's like an old pair of shoes, you can have a good pair of shoes but
if you put polish on them then there it is. See, he's got the whole shebang, he's got the ability to know
that the technique is the polish, so, he got the whole thing, he's got the cognitive thing, but he's also
got this other inspirational natural thing. And they facilitate each other. You can't beat that. When an
artist has technique and inspiration, that's what genius is. That separates a craftsman from an artist.
Or: ordinary from genius, they have the whole thing.
MW: Do you think Charlie Parker was one of these guys like Muhammad Ali who reputedly could
slow time down? So that he could see in between the seconds?
CM: Yeh, I think Bird had that. But you know what that is? because you know he's not really slowing
time down. What he is, is that he's just fast as hell.
MW: But, in his mind he perceives it as slower, a second goes by slower for him than for us normal
CM: Yeh, because in that second he can see more or do more. Or, the second is longer because
there's more to the perception. This is all about perception, right? You know, a second is
And there's a lot of other stuff, too. And there's that fast reflex, so you have speed, which
makes a second not the same for everybody. And then you got muscle memory. And Charlie Parker
had that, from what I understand.
MW: Charles, could you explain muscle memory?
CM: Muscle memory is -- the term is used to describe athletes and athletic ability, where a person
has a better muscle memory than other people. Like a guy bowling, for instance, if someone
says Here's what you do if you want to get a strike: Angle your wrist this way, and look right between
those two pins, and you make your arm and your wrist control the ball to go right between those two
little pins, and if you were able to do that you'd get a strike every time. Okay, some people, once
they're shown, they will remember to make their wrist a forty-five degree angle, (if that's what it was),
and do it every time and that's why they get more strikes than everybody else.
But, playing a musical instrument is part athletic, also. You're using your fingers, your arms,
your body. So, if you are told a certain thing, to hold your hand a certain way, well, the difference
between those people, is that most people would have to be told that a hundred times before they
maybe finally do it. Where a person with muscle memory, once they've been shown the physicality
of a particular movement, they just remember it. Now, if you have that, can you imagine how much
time is taken off when you're learning anything?
MW: Yeh. I wonder what the pathway is to that?
CM: Well, the pathway is probably a focus and a concentration that is off the charts, number one.
MW: Could it be equated to, say, when you're playing saxophone, you could rely on muscle
memory to automatically hit the right note depending on what the harmonic landscape is?
CM: Well, musicians will know the tune. Which means you know the melody and the harmonic
structure, and the physical structure of the tune. So, knowing the tune means knowing
those things. But, your ear, because you hear what is, and where what is, then you just
play what you hear. And that should be informed by the particular emotionality that that sound
evokes from you. Or, -- at least -- if you are interpreting what that composer might have wanted
to evoke emotionally. There's a bunch of informing going on when you play. So, all you do as an
improvisor is to maybe understand the general emotional consensus of this particular tune and then you
work with the spirit of what that is, and the physicalities of what it is. That should be no more than knowing
the English language for a writer who's going to write something. You know the sentence structure, and
the function of a verb and a noun and a prepositional phrase, those things are known. You don't even
have to think about that. What you do think about is: What is it that I want to say?
MW: Can you fake the emotion?
CM: You can try to fake the emotion, but if you fake the emotion then that's already speaking for itself.
That means it's a fake emotion. So, you can't fake it. You can attempt to fake it. It's like watching
an actor attempt to play a scene where he's suppose to be really crying but he's not crying, so, I guess
you can maybe bring false tears, maybe you can do that. But, I think for the moment even an actor
is feeling whatever it is, so he can bring about the tears.
So, the musician has to be able to -- if you're playing -- first of all, music is a weird thing. You
don't have to feel nothing that you're playing. You don't have to feel it. You can just do it, but you don't
feel it. To do the act of playing or singing a note just requires the physical capability of doing that. Now,
what you mean behind the note, what you feel about it, is totally a different thing. So, that's why there's
such a thing of you hearing somebody and they might not move you. That's what that is. Even though
it's subjective. A lot of people can do it, but there's nothing behind it. That's the difference between a
singer like Billie Holiday, for instance, who you do get the impression that every note, every word, every
lyric that she is actually singing, that she really, not only intellectually understands the meaning of the
words, but actually the meaning of what the words mean emotionally. That's a difference, than somebody
mouthing a word that's in the English language. That's a big difference.
MW: When Supersax first came out did you think that these guys were our of their minds to attempt this?
CM: I didn't think that, no. But, I knew that this was going to be a hard thing. But these are guys that
can read and do that. So, I knew it would be possible.
When it first came out, it was novel, right? because nobody had really conceived of something like
that and so the novelty of it was interesting. But I knew it was daunting, pretty challenging stuff here.
And those guys did a pretty damn good job of doing that.
MW: My perception of it at the time that they hit was that it was a big deal. Did it seem like that to
CM: Yeh, it was. And it got a lot of attention, a lot of people liked it, it was startling. You know, since
then, you can go and hear a big band and hear their saxophone section play a solo, which is kind of
like what they were doing, but they did it first, and they conceptualized it and organized it in the way
that they did, and created a body of work dealing with it, not just one solo. It's a body of work. So, that's
different. Now, I play gigs all the time where maybe we're playing a chart that Bird played and they'll have
eight or sixteen bars of his solo, but that's only one chart. Supersax had several charts with Bird's solos,
so they certainly organized this in a very conceptualized way, which is good.
MW: In a great big way.
CM: Yeh !
In some ways Supersax is the key backwards into the 1950s Los Angeles
jazz scene. A period of such depth and dimension that it is only now
becoming apparent what incredible jazz was being made in L.A. then.
What happened was: After the triple-whammy of the decade-long 1930s
Great Depression, and the Dustbowl Migration, and WWII, America was
a changed place. The doughboys shook off the mud of Europe but never
returned home to the family farm. Many of them went to southern California.
Likewise, many of the big bands, like Woody Herman and Stan Kenton,
rolled in for a pit stop. Came off the road and decided to hang out for awhile
in the canyons of Sunset Strip. The cats in Supersax are part of this history.
Bobby Bradford is a cornet player renowned for his work with Ornette and John Carter
and professor of music at Pomona College since the mid-70s and one of America's
leading scholars on Charlie Parker and when Stanley Crouch's biography of Bird
ever comes out, you'll have a lot of Bradford's perspective therein. I called Bobby
to hear his thoughts on Supersax.
MW: Bobby, I was wondering what your first impressions were when Supersax first hit.
BB: Well, first of all I thought it was a great idea. And then, number one, you got a hell
of a problem -- to get down and get that stuff notated somewhere near where it is. Even though
it's impossible to notate some of that stuff Charlie Parker played, those guys had all heard
the records. He [Med] had to have really really good players, not just a guy who's a good studio
reader, but somebody who had heard this music and could play those kind of delayed phrases
MW: Great point. Sometimes we over-look the obvious. And in this case it's absolutely
imperative that the players know Bird's music from hearing the recordings.
BB: Yeh. Some of the that stuff Charlie Parker played, you get a studio musician who could
just sight read anything, I mean, he couldn't play that, not effectively. So much of Bird's stuff
goes [sings a line] You can't write that [laughter] You had to have guys who had heard it and who
really liked it, too. Because there was no money in the beginning. All that rehearsing that they did.
MW: Yeh, somewhere between eleven and sixteen months, depending on who's telling the story,
before they ever presented it live.
BB: And no money. That's like John [Carter] and I rehearsing for a year before we got anything, and
then just a little funny job. But, he [Med] had good people in there. I was just looking at a photograph
the other day where Warne Marsh was in the group at one point. I think Med did most of the hard
work, didn't he?
MW: Mostly, yes, Med. But in the early years Buddy Clark wrote some arrangements, and Warne
contributed maybe half a dozen charts. And Med's idea was to put a "rub" in the sax section --
a whole step between two of the internal sax parts, so it wasn't what you'd call unison harmony.
BB: You see what happens is, it's not like he's doing some far-out harmony. He knows that with a
full saxophone section it can be really colorless if you don't know how to voice for five saxophones.
Now, somebody like Benny Carter, he had that nailed down. And so did this guy Ralph Burns who
used to write for Woody Herman, there's a bunch of guys who know how to do that, and what's the guy
here [Los Angeles], plays tenor, has a tricky eye, Bill Holman.
MW: You know, Dizzy actually suggested that they write in strict unison -- Dizzy played with them
at Monterey -- but Med said they'd tried that and rejected it. You know Med wanted the line to be
clearly what Bird played, and part of that was that he voiced the saxes within an octave.
BB: Well, you can see that that right there -- within an octave -- that creates some interesting
problems . . . . What happens when you're writing for five parts, whether you're writing for Supersax
or anybody else, one of the techniques is to have the melody on the top line and have the baritone, or
the lowest voice, play the same thing. But you see where you run into problems is that when Charlie
Parker's solo goes to a place that's kind of high, then you're forcing the baritone into Squeakysville.
See what I mean? Now, Charlie Parker tended to play in the sweet spot of the alto -- he didn't play
those altissimo things, like someone like Braxton would do on some of his stuff. Where they stay up
there in the super high high register. Charlie Parker explored the best part of the saxophone. Everything
he played you could hear the pitch. It wasn't a squeak, or something you sort of reach for where you
got half of it or you didnt. So, you see, what happens when you are writing for five parts, whether you are
writing for Supersax or anybody else, one of the techniques is to have the
melody on the top line and have the baritone, or the lowest voice, play the
same thing. But you see where you run into problems is that when Charlie
Parker's solo goes to a place that's kind of high, then you're forcing the
baritone into Squeaksville. See what I mean? Now, Charlie Parker tended to
play in the sweet spot of the alto -- he didn't play those altissimo things, like
someone like Braxton would do on some of his stuff. Where they stay up
there in the super high high register. Charlie Parker explored the best part of
the saxophone. Everything he played you could hear the pitch. It wasn't a
squeak or something you sorta reach for where you got half of it or you didn't.
So, as it goes up you force the baritone up higher, too, into a tough range
for them to be able to play.
And then you also have the problem, as Charlie Parker played all those
strange notes against the chord, how to deal with the other three notes that
your going to put in there, because the chord, most of the time, has to contain
the good notes in a chord. When I say 'the good notes' I mean, if it's a dominant
seventh chord you want to make sure you've got the 3rd and the 7th in there
somehow. Because that's what makes a dominant seventh important. Because
sometimes you'll be playing, depending on how you are writing this, say it's a
C7 chord, there might not be a C. Because you can get along without that C,
being that that's the root of the chord, you don't always have to have a C when
you're writing -- you could write a C7 chord and it could very effective, and the
notes you might have could be D, which is the 9th, which is not part of the
chord, but it's okay. And an E natural, and a Bb. And maybe a G. But a
dominant seventh chord doesn't do what it's suppose to do if it doesn't have the
3rd and the 7th in it. Like, in the C7 chord that would be the E and the Bb.
See what I mean?
So, the writer has to really sit down with a sharp pencil, and spend a lot of
time, often, sitting at the piano trying to figure out how to make that work. And it
also makes those inside parts hell to play, you see? Because they are often
not melodic, like what Charlie Parker is playing. Or what the baritone saxophone
is playing, doubling below, which is very singable.
You know, Charlie Parker will be playing [scats a bebop line]. Now, if you're
going to harmonize that with those other notes in the middle, those parts are going
to be awkward. With awkward leaps, just because they have to be obedient to what
the chord is.
MW: Lanny said it was agony.
BB: Of course it is. It takes a hell of a player. And the writer, of course, has to try
to have some consideration for what the people are having to deal with in the inside
voices. It's just like the inside voices. It's just like the inside voices that the Woody
Herman band when he was using three tenors and a baritone, the Four Brothers.
If you played the inside parts, it was agony. But if you played it, it sounded great
once they got everybody in there doing his part.
MW: So, those Four Brothers inner parts were kind of weird?
BB: Oh yeh! And difficult to play! 'Cause you see they have to leap around according
to the mechanics of harmony. Where the top part and the bottom part are playing the
MW: Lanny was telling about the night Stitt sat in with them at the Parisian Room and
I asked if Stitt played one of the parts? and Lanny was laughing so hard at that idea,
he said, No, he wasn't going to put himself through that kind of agony. He stayed away
from those parts.
BB: [Laughing] Not only is it hard work, but you can't remember a lot of that.
MW: Yeh, Lanny said that the only way to learn those parts was to play them over and
over again, because they're nearly impossible to memorize. Because it doesn't do
BB: In other words, that's like: You look out on the football field and you see the wide
receivers running looking great catching passes and the quarterback running back and
you don't pay a lot of attention to those guys on the line, those big refrigerator guys
bumping each other, to protect the quarterback. There's a lot going on in there. See,
fans tend to watch the quarterback and those guys running out to catch passes.
And all that noise out there, that BAM, CLASH, CRASH, all of that is the defensive
linemen trying to keep those other guys at bay so the quarterback can throw the ball
and look pretty.
And those guys playing those parts inside -- if you played that inside part without
the hearing the top you'd say: This is noise.
MW: The only concession is that it move forward.
BB: Oh yeh. But the thing is, you see, it follows the curvature of a Charlie Parker solo.
And if you can finally get those notes under your fingers, it's a hell of a sound.
MW: And it wasn't parallep harmony, either.
BB: Oh no. You see that's kind of boring. And first of all, parallel harmony will get you
into trouble trying to stay inside the octave, if that's what the game is.
Often [in other settings] you want a bigger sound. So, you go outside the octave.
You may have the baritone saxophone with a big gap between him and the trombone,
because you want a totally different sound, more -- for want of a better word -- a more
orchestral kind of thing.
And these guys were trying to stay within that octave and make that thing swing like the
reality of Charlie Parker's solo.
MW: Yeh, and the only reason Med had that rule was that he wanted to keep it strictly
about Bird's solo.
BB: Yeh, yeh. Of course, that was the whole project. It wasn't about his orchestration.
This is just to put Bird on paper and to hear it harmonized. That's why I'm sure he
rejected the idea of everybody playing a Charlie Parker solo in unison.
MW: Yeh, Med gets all burned up if you even mention the word unison.
BB: If you played Charlie Parker solos in unison with five saxophones, after about thirty
minutes you've had enough.
AND I called Los Angeles trombonist Michael Vlatkovich to get the lowdown on what Frank
Rosolino was all about.
MW: Michael, what are the distinguishing characteristics of Rosolino's trombone style?
MV: He really capitalizes on how the trombone works, using the overtone series and lip slurs.
MW: This is something that other players don't employ?
MV: Other trombone players don't use it to the extent that he did. The overtone series, he
really works the overtone series. Because you hear him doing a lot of arpeggiated stuff. He isn't
that much of a diatonic player, he leans more toward what's available, he utilizes what the trombone
can do. I think he realized early on that it was a way to move quickly around the instrument and it
was relatively easy.
MW: Do you use this approach yourself?
MV: Yes. I would say that I do it more than many. Certainly not the most.
MW: Are they standard positions on the horn?
MV: In some cases, no. You're really only utilizing a particular position, rather than moving the
slide, you're using one position or two positions.
MW: So, from one or two positions you can extract a half-dozen notes? Is it all lipped?
MV: Yes. Of course, the higher you go the overtones get closer together, so there's a point where
the position doesn't matter, at all. In fact, I hear there's this European guy who plays really high
and doesn't move the slide at all. He just plays fast bebop lines and doesn't move.
I was telling Lanny Morgan how it seemed to me that the sax section did all the work in
Supersax and the trumpet and trombone got to have all the fun. Lanny said that my observation
wasn't too far from the truth. And when I mentioned this to composer and bassist David Parlato
he said that it was genius to have the brass take solos because sonically it works as a
momentary departure from the sound of saxophones. David was a working musician in Los
Angeles at the time Supersax came on the set and caught them many times at Dontes. See
the David Parlato Timeline @ the Metropolis website for more about David. What follows in the
next paragraph are David's thoughts on Supersax excerpted from our conversation.
"It is actually a brilliant orchestration idea because it relieves the orchestration of the saxophone
sound coming at you all the time -- from a listeners point of view. So, when that would be done
you would hear a rhythm section take off with a soloist that was not a saxophonist. Of course, if
you were a saxophonist in the band, I would have wanted to play some solos.
The Beatles really changed everything, the scene shifted, and never came back. And that's a
good example of what Supersax did, even though it's a little later after the Beatles, this is when
Supersax really gets their thing together. SO, in that sense they're actually masterfully presenting
an historical statement: Charlie Parker's music. They're breathing life into it in a beautiful way.
And that's at a time when BITCHES BREW is history. So, it's a very retro thing, even at the time
that they did it. And the beautiful thing about it is that the power of the music made it really live --
their faith and belief in that music and the way they executed it brought it to life and it was really
powerful to hear it done that way and kind of showed how eternal Charlie Parker's vision, as a
And as you know, when that stuff comes on it still sounds hip, hip as a bitch right now, you know,
no question about it. And that's because Charlie Parker was a genius and he channeled that
through and reinvented the whole approach, took it to another geometric level of what improvising
could be, so that's the power, and they matched it by bringing it to life, it wasn't half-hearted, they
couldn't pull those things off without -- can you imagine how many hours they rehearsed? But, it
was a labor of love, and that shows when you hear the Supersax recordings, it definitely lifted off.
It would sound good if it was happening today, if somebody decided to do that today, you know.
That stuff will always sound good. Now, it's an acquired taste, you know? You're going to have to
know -- have to feel the Charlie Parker revolution and understand that, and like it, and then Supersax
makes all the sense in the world.
[ At this point I told David about the impending debut of Supersax New Mexico.
Then, I added that a fact that we intend to over-look, and that Bobby Bradford points
out is that you wouldn't be able to replicate Charlie Parker if you hadn't heard Charlie Parker's
I agree with that and that makes Supersax really powerful because they were all influenced by Bird
by actually hearing him play live and being around him. They were all of that generation. For them to
have the baton passed on to them that soon after has a great bit of power. But, every saxophone
player after Parker is influenced by Parker, whether they want to be or not [chuckling].
I can confirm that Bill Perkins was very hard on himself and a perfectionist like you say. Now, I didn't
know him they way they did, but I did know him to be very hard on himself as a perfectionist would
be so the "KoKo" story doesn't surprise me.
I still think it's genius to have a different instrument play a solo, not that they're not all great
saxophonists, but to have a different instrument other than a saxophone, so that there's no way that
you could compare it to a Charlie Parker solo.
[ I asked about the saxophone voicings and Med's keeping it all within an octave.]
Right. It's called close voicing, because you get the whole chord inside one octave. So, the lead
alto plays the melody and an octave lower the baritone plays the melody, so they're in unison but
they're an octave apart. So, it's not strict unison, they're spread, and in between them are the three
other voices that never go above the lead alto sax or below the baritone sax. So, they're all moving
along bookended at the top by the alto and the bottom by the baritone. And then as the chords
move those inner voices move with the melody and cover the harmony, you know? flesh out the
harmonic sound. So, you can get a really rich thing, and that's also like the sound George Shearing
So, what you're doing is putting the melody note on the top and the bottom and the three other
voices have to cover whatever that chord is in there. So, the intervals are going to be moving around,
they're not going to be the same, [ I had asked if the inside saxes had a strict intervallic relationship
with the lead sax] the second alto, for instance, is not always going to be the same interval beneath
the first alto, that's what's called parallel organum, and that has a certain sound but that's not what
Supersax did. And a lot of piano players can do this. On a solo they might decide to play a section
of their solo where they do that voicing. George Shearing did that, the vibes played the melody in a
different octave than the piano, and the voices were filled in on the piano in between these two. So,
it defines the melody really well. It makes it really full and fat because you have these three voices
in the middle that are moving around showing what the harmony is as the harmony is moving by.
[ I mention Med telling me about how they'd sometimes for fun just have the inner saxophones
play their parts sans the melody and how I'd love to hear some of that. And even though all of this
science is going on inside the voicing it sure always sounds to me like they're all moving forward
Exactly. It's a side issue. Really, the main way to enjoy it is to listen. Because the main thing
in that voicing that you're going to hear is the melody because the top voice is definitely what the
uninitiated ear always goes to, is the highest voice. And then to have that doubled below with the
lowest voice makes the power, so you're always going to hear that melody. So, the real way to listen
to it is to just enjoy the momentum, the forward motion that it has. And the richness is created by
those three inner voices." --David Parlato.
Lanny Morgan has always been gracious and a regular guest via telephone
on my KUNM Thursday radio show, so, I gave him a buzz to get some clarification
on the intricacies of playing in Supersax. He was the 2nd alto in the band.
LM: Yes, the two tenors and the 2nd alto play the inner parts.
MW: Med says that for fun, in private sessions, he'd have the three inner saxes
play their parts, sans the lead lines. Just for a laugh.
LM: Yeh. We did that in the studios. It's not that much fun, really. Because, actually,
they're almost impossible to play, and they're not much fun to play, either. It's just
a matter of playing them over and over until you finally get it, almost by rote.
MW: When did you join the band?
LM: I joined the band in 1975. They started in '72 and they rehearsed in Bill Perkins'
garage for a year, then they opened at Donte's, and then they recorded three albums
for Capitol and the first one won a Grammy, then they didn't do another until DYNAMITE
in '78. We recorded that for BASF. And that was at the end of a road trip. We did a month
over there in Germany and wound up in Villingen [April 24-28, 1978] where MPS Studios
are, and we did that record there. I've always thought it was a good record.
MW: When did John Dentz join the band? Because DYNAMITE is the first time we see him
on record with Supersax.
LM: Let's see, when I first joined the band Jake Hanna was playing drums. And Jake stayed
about a year, or a year and a half. When I joined it was Buddy Clark, Jake Hanna, and Lou
Levy, and Conte, and sometimes Frank Rosolino. And then it was Med and I and Warne Marsh
and Jay Migliori and Jack Nimitz.
MW: You started in 1975, when?
LM: Actually I started subbing on the band in 1974. And I joined the band permanently in 1975,
probably spring 1975.
MW: And you replaced Joe Lopes.
MW: When you had features on the band did they always remain the same or did those move
around after awhile?
LM: No, they always stayed the same. We tried to get Med to let us mix it up a little bit but he didn't
want to do it. He wanted everything to remain the same. I always played on "Ornithology," and
Nimitz and I always played on "Moose the Mooche," we used to trade choruses, then eights, then
fours. And Jack's main feature was "Night in Tunisia."
MW: "Ornithology" was Warne's chart.
LM: Yes, that was Warne's. A very hard chart.
MW: Did Warne also double the lead with alto and baritone?
LM: No, Warne used five-part harmony.
MW: And that was his solo vehicle as well.
LM: Right, Warne used to play on that in the beginning. Then, later, it became my feature. When I
first joined I played a little bit on everything. They kind of mixed things up a little more than we
used to do at the end. It was so set there at the end. I always wanted to play on "Cherokee."
Med's feature was a blues in C, I can't remember the name. But, "Cherokee," was always the
two tenors. So, normally, all of us got to play once a set. So if you played three sets, you got to
play three times a night. And you got to stretch out pretty good. I think on "Moose the Mooche"
I played four choruses, maybe five.
MW: At the time that Supersax was really going strong was that your main job?
LM: No, I was still doing a lot of studio work, too. And I was playing with Bill Holman, Bob Florence,
Bill Berry, and everybody. In fact, I got in trouble once with Bill Berry, my old friend, because I
turned down one of his jobs because Supersax had a gig, and he said Why do you always turn
me down for Supersax? And I said, Bill, you try getting a sub for Supersax. You can't get one!
But of course he didn't want to hear that. But, it worked out okay, anyway.
MW: When was Supersax last gig?
LM: It's been a long time. You know everybody's gone except Med and I. And I wasn't in the
original band, so, Med is the only one left of the original band. Joe Lopes is gone. And Bill
Perkins is gone.
MW: Is John Dentz still around?
LM: Yes, but he hasn't played in years. He lost his hearing, you know. His wife was a dental
technician, maybe still is, and inherited a dental lab. So, they're living up in either Big Bear or
MW: Remember how he used to cock his head sideways while he was playing like he was trying
to hear the reflection off the wall? And that look on his face.
LM: Yeh, yeh, [chuckling]. He was a funny cat. He would look up at the ceiling, too! Eyes wide
LM: We always used to laugh at him, it was pretty funny. He was a good guy, I like John. He was
a great drummer. He was one of the most steady drummers I ever heard in my life. Any tempo.
MW: He was with Supersax over ten years.
LM: Yes. And I remember after that [John's hearing loss] we went to Japan and took Ralph Penland
with us. We played a little club in Yokohama called The Bird. A lot of guys were going over to
do that. That was about a week's work.
MW: When was that? Had you done the L.A. Voices albums, yet? [December 1982 through January
and February 1983] John was on those dates.
LM: You better let me dig out my datebooks and look into that.
MW: [ I told Lanny about Supersax New Mexico]
LM: Really? That's great!
MW: Yeh, their first date is May 21st in Santa Fe.
LM: That's wild! I'd like to hear them! They'll be fine, it just takes a lot of work. You know, Med tried
to put the band back together again but, you know, I just don't think it would ever work again
because most of that was the feeling -- just being together for all that time -- a lot of empathy and
feeling for what everyone was doing. And so, he put it together, he got Danny House on baritone,
and Pete Christlieb on tenor, and Gene Cipriano on tenor. But, no matter how good those people
play it just didn't sound the same. When we used to work with that band -- I'm talking maybe two
weeks out of every month -- the band was really tight.
MW: How did Supersax set up in the recording studio?
LM: We did it several different ways. One of the ones, I remember we were in a circle. I don't think we
were ever in individual booths. I think we were in a semi-circle. Everyone might have had their own
mike. I know most guys, including myself, don't really approve of that way of recording [individual
booths], it gives the control booth too much control. Some of the best recordings I ever made --
sound-wise -- were with Wally Heider where he set one mike in front of the whole group.
MW: I like recording with one ambient mike and also have everybody miked individually for insurance
purposes, in case we need to raise that instrument in the mix. But mostly rely on the single mike
as the fundamental track. I'm also partial to raising the drums and bass in the mix.
LM: I like the sock cymbal.
MW: What was the fastest tempo Supersax ever played?
LM: I can't give you a number, but I think it was "Salt Peanuts." Yeh, we did "Salt Peanuts" and "Koko"
pretty fast. And another one, "Bebop." And another one we recorded called, "The Bird."
MW: Like 300 bpm?
LM: No, I think they were closer to 400.
MW: So, you didn't necessarily thin about that? Somebody would count off and you'd go?
LM: Yes. Med always counted us in. A couple things started with drums, so, drums would just take
it and then we'd come in. "Salt Peanuts" starts like that. And it was right up there.
MW: Did tempos ever change? Like a radical change just to see?
LM: No. Everything was right where Med wanted them. A lot of those things were a lot faster than Bird
recorded them -- but they were right where Med wanted them, so that's where we played 'em.
MW: Med told me that Bill Perkins took issue after the first sessions when Capitol wanted to re-record
everything sans solos. That Perk balked at doing "Koko" over again.
LM: Well, it was more than "Koko." It was some other tunes, too. Perk was such a perfectionist that
he wanted to get every note -- you know? you have to skate on some of those, you just have to
play with feeling. Bird sorta did that, too. So when they told Perk they were going to have to re-do
it, he just wigged out, and said that he couldn't do it. So they brought in Joe Lopes. Joe Lopes is
an excellent reader, he wasn't the jazz player that Perk was but he sure got the parts down.
MW: Tell me about the time Zoot sat in with Supersax.
LM: That was at Ratzo's in Chicago. There were two groups on the bill. It was us and Zoot's band
and Zoot played a couple tunes with us. The exciting one was down at the Parisian Room when
Sonny Stitt sat it. Yeh! I forgot exactly when that was. I think John Dentz was in the band and
Buddy Clark was still in the band, so that was awhile back. And I think Menza and Jay Migliori
were on tenors, so, Warne wasn't there. Stitt was a good friend of Red Holloway's -- Red used to
be the doorman there at the Parisian Room.
MW: Wow. I saw Stitt and Red play tandem tenors at the Parisian Room. It was billed that way. So,
did Stitt just solo with Supersax or did he play one of the parts?
LM: [Hearty laughter] No, no, no, I don't think he would have wanted to put himself though that kind of
agony. I don't remember what he played, probably a rhythm thing. But, whatever it was he played
the shit out of it.
MW: So, he didn't play over the top of the sax section, he'd wait for a chorus?
LM: He'd wait for a chorus, then he'd play a bunch of choruses and when he got through, Blue would
play. Blue Mitchell was playing with us then. Blue was a tremendous player, I mean, they both
were [he and Conte]. I never heard Blue make a mistake, ever. I never heard him fluff a note. Everything
was perfect. It was when we were working at a place in San Diego, for a week, that Blue started
complaining about headaches. So, we took him to a doctor and they gave him some medication,
something strong, and then when he got back to L.A. they found out he had brain cancer. That was
quite a loss.
MW: He was a nice guy.
LM: Yes, he was. A nice guy and a hell of a player. So was Count. Nice guy and hell of a player.
MW: My claim to fame is that Blue bought me a beer at Donte's, once. I think I had given him a
LM: Wow. Yeh, he was a good guy. I had known him, and Junior Cook, from New York when they were
working with Horace's band. Yeh, Blue really impressed me when he played with us.
MW: Well, what are you working on these days, Lanny?
LM: I'm writing some more things for my sextet. Doing the Lighthouse every few months. I'm working at
a place called Typhoon, down at Santa Monica airport, Emil Richards has a big band there, and
actually we did a DVD with that band. That's about it.
MW: When I caught you last year at Charlie O's [April 10, 2o10 Van Nuys, CA] with John Heard's Trio
with Roy McCurdy I was blown away. I think I was high for a month after that show. In fact, I wish
I had brough along a Zoom to record it. Unbelievable.
LM: Well, there you are.
Biscuit Evans sed he could
play the sax like that
any day any time just
as soon as God kissed
him on the forehead
right where his third
eye would be
PART TWO of same conversation with David Parlato:
"You could say that Supersax is the quintessential tribute to Bird. Enough to make a grown man
cry, really. It's wicked, wicked good.
When I talked with Buddy Clark [Clark lived briefly in Albuquerque toward the end of his life, circa
1998] he said that they slowed down Bird's recordings so they could hear what the ghosted notes
were, what the quickest notes were. So they could transcribe. What I got about Buddy was -- he
was a very determined, very aggressive personality. You know, he fell out of a hang glider, or
something, and survived!
[ I mentioned how Med had taught Buddy how to write for saxophones.]
Okay, going back to that voicing thing. Once you have the harmony, all those tunes had harmony,
they came with harmony, and then you had the melody -- to fill those three voices in, to somebody
who knows what they're doing, is somewhat formulaic, okay? It's 'somewhat.' I don't mean to say
it's mechanical, it's just that you know that's the sound that we have, that's the signature sound.
It followed a pattern. I say 'somewhat' but it's definitely not rubber-stamped or mechanical. The only
way that would be the case is if every part was moving the same way. That's called parallel and they're
not doing that. That would be totally formulaic, mechanical, rubberstamp. But still, there was a routine
to what they were doing, that the arrangers would get very fast at.
[ I mention how Med said each tune presented its own set of problems.]
The main problem would be to get the melody the way they wanted. And the other problem would be to
figure out how to imply the chord with the three inner voices when the note that Bird played was
distant, in the chord, you know? Like a flat thirteenth or something like that. So, you've got two notes
by two of the fives saxophones [in Supersax that was the lead alto and the baritone] that is like a
distant note from the chord and how do those three voices in the middle anchor that chord and reflect
the fact that it's a flat thirteenth and anchor that to show that it is in relation to this chord. And you
have to do it with three voices. And then the next note is an eighth note, probably the same chord, but a
different melody note so you want to move those three voices, even though the chord hasn't changed,
the melody note has changed. So, this is why it's not exactly formulaic. So, the next note is not a
flat thirteen, say it's a third, of the chord, then those three voices inside have to move in a melodic way
and still cover the same chord. So that becomes challenging. And with note-y music like Bird's there
would be a number of notes in one harmonic space of two beats or four beats during which time the
melody notes would be changing but the harmony notes would have to be moving, but the harmony
wouldn't be changing! It would be challenging.
[ I mentioned how Connie Crothers and Charles McPherson both emphasized and wanted to make
clear that it's not about working or trying. That implies that you're stressing the value of effort and it's not about that.]
That's very intelligent to know that. You know I'm doing hypnotherapy now, and the thinking along
those lines is beautiful because what your doing is you are programming your subconscious mind
to have that attitude about the creative work that you are going to do and so you don't use the word
try because that implies that you could fail. You don't use the words I will do it because that implies
that it is in the future. You don't use the word work because you want to be in the zone and be
relaxed and be able to be in touch with the intuition and subconscious. So, I applaud that kind of
catching the self-talk that has failure built into it. They want to make sure that they're not operating
on that level. So, I understand that. I understand the purpose of it." -- David Parlato
"Perhaps you seek too much,
that as a result of your seeking
you cannot find," said Siddhartha,
"When someone is seeking it happens
quite easily that he only sees the thing
that he is seeking."
VARIOUS ODDS & ENDS FROM TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH MED FLORY
April 27, 2o11
MF: It wouldn't hurt to mention Dave Pell -- that he had that octet that was
pretty gawd damn great all those years. Long before we did what we did, you
know? It had no effect on it [Supersax], but it was there. As a matter of fact, Buddy
and I were playing on his band for awhile.
[Legend has it that it was after a Dave Pell Octet gig at the Crescendo on Sunset Blvd
-- 1957 -- they were over at Med's place winding down and Buddy asked for Med to play
"that thing with saxes -- Just Friends." And it was on this night that Buddy and Med
decided to get Supersax off the shelf and running.] [ Again, there seems to be two dates
that are attributed to this legendary demo of four songs for five saxes, including Joe Maini --
1957-ish and just before Maini died in 1964.]
MF: So, that's how that got started, was a gig of Dave Pell's.
MW: What about Roger Kellaway's involvement -- those string charts he wrote for the third album.
MF: Johnny Williams was going to do it and then he got a movie, so, I don't remember who
recommended Roger but I got him. And Don Specht wrote one but it was in a different mood,
it wasn't really modern string writing, it was traditional strings, it kind of puts you to sleep.
MW: Warne wrote four arrangements for the band, "Salt Peanuts; Ornithology; The Song is
You; and Now's the Time."
MF: Yeh. I think I've re-written all but one of them.
MW: So, you rewrote the same charts? [see "The Song is You" on Vol. 1 w/L.A. Voices]
MW: Did Warne use the same thing with the baritone and alto playing the lead melody?
MF: Pretty much. He got kind of strange every now and then, but yeh, it sounded really good.
MW: And he kept everything inside the octave?
MF: Yeh, that was The Rule, you know, you gotta do that because it's Bird. It's the line that
matters, not what expertise you have as a harmonist. You can do all that but you got to do
inside the octave, which is plenty tough. And you got to keep it rolling. The other parts got to
move like the lead does.
Dick Grove had this jazz college where he taught cross-voicing, which, jezus crhist, there's
nothing worse. It always sticks out like a sore thumb. Like when you got a note doubled, so one
goes up and the other goes down and then they end up where they were and nobody is going
dah dah dah dah on the same note. It never works. You juts gotta keep doing it and you can do
some pretty strange stuff inside of the octave, in order to make it work and also augment the
harmony, to the point where you're into second-degree harmony, in order to make something
work maybe you go to another key for two beats, you know? in order to get the thing to flow
linearly exactly like the lead, like Bird. When it goes up, go up, you know?
When Perk was on the band he always wanted to, "Hey, let's play it again only slower," and
frankly, I didn't have the time to go back over things slow. We have to do it up to tempo, when
it goes up, go up!
MW: David Parlato said Perk was a perfectionist and really hard on himself.
MF: Yup. And that doesn't always work with this band 'cause it ain't about how good you play, it's
about how good Bird played. Sounds weird but that the way of it.
MW: How well did Supersax records sell?
MF: The first one sold 10,000 copies in the first three weeks, so that got it going. Not like it should,
but, that's the way it's still selling, people are still buying it.
MF: I used to go into Birdland with my wife Joanie, the best lookin' chick in New York City, flat-out,
man, she was something else. And Pee Wee, that little fart, he'd upt us right down in front, you
know, to attract some attention. And be right in front of Bud, you know, I could just reach out and
almost touch Bud's right hand, you know? and he'd be playin' and he'd check out Joanie, and he'd
play a ballad, man, that was so gawd damn'd gorgeous it'd just rip your heart out. And then he'd
play something like "Hallelujah," or one of those up things. He was the best. He was my favorite
jazz piano player of all time.
[ Regarding Hal McKusick]
MF: Yeh, he was my mentor on Claude's [Thornhill] band. He hipped me to a lot of stuff. I was just out
of college and didn't know shit, and he was so hip it was unbelievable.
MW: Did Hal always talk with that slow laconic laid-back voice, maybe it's from Boston, did he talk
like that back then?
MF: He wasn't from Boston was he?
MW: Newton, a suburb of Boston.
MF: No shit. He's not like that school at all. All those guys sound like Boots Musulli, whatever his
name is, all the alto players.
MW: Was Hal always laid-back?
MF: Yeh! He wasn't a cheerleader if that's what you mean [chuckling].
MW: He just seems to take everything as it comes -- very calm.
MF: Well, he was hip and cool. A lovely combination.
He and Joanie left NYC the evening of Christmas Day 1955. Just prior to that he had went back to
Indiana and bought a Dodge convertible -- a 1952 model he seems to recall. "I drove it back to New
York, we packed up, the drove it back to Logansport for a few days, and then hit the trail -- Route 66."
MW: How did Supersax set up in the studio?
MF: Facing each other, three on one side, two on the other. More or less. Whereas, on the gig it was
me and the alto and the baritone on one side and the two tenors on the other. Normally, they used
to split the tenors, but I like to write tenors as a section, together, so you can't have them on both
sides of the section when you want them to be playing thirds or a unison or something like that.
I'm not sure that's the first band that ever did that, but I did it, because it makes sense. So, like that.
And we had baffles around. So that one horn wouldn't leak into the other we had baffles between
each horn. About four feet, something like that.
MW: And you could see over the top.
MF: Yeh. We could see, and hear, but it didn't leak.
MW: So, obviously, you all had your own microphones.
MF: Oh yeh. And one on top and one for ambiance. That was at Capitol, they knew how to do all that.
MW: I kind of thought you would all just be around one microphone?
MF: We've done that, too. You can do it, but that ain't how they do it when they're doing it, you know.
MW: So, did you set in on the mix session?
MF: Oh yeh. We'd mix, John Palladino and Mauri, and me. And on break we'd go down the street to the
Brown Derby. They had a Cobb salad there, I'm tellin' ya, those were marvelous days.
KEROUAC's 239th, 240th, & 241st CHORUS
Charlie Parker looked like Buddha
Charlie Parker, who recently died
Laughing at a juggler on the TV
was called the Perfect Musician
And his expression on his face
Was as calm, beautiful, and profound
As the image of the Buddha
Represented in the East, the lidded eyes
The expression that says "All is Well"
-- This was what Charlie Parker
Said when he played, All is Well
his Eternal Slowdown
In the Great Historic World Night
And wailed his little saxophone,
The alto, with piercing clear
And how sweet a story it is
When you hear Charlie Parker
*NOTE regarding 15th paragraph:
from one of the chief consultants on my advisory committee, Dan Morgenstern
of the Rutgers JazzArchive, perceptively pointed out that the 1929
"Singing in the Rain" recording was never formally
released, so would not have been an influence. It surfaced on bootlegs in the 1970s(?)(because
Leonard Feather refers to it in his linernotes to the first Supersax album). It can now be found on
the BIX-TRAM-TEAGARDEN Mosaic box. And I would be remiss to forget the Benny Carter sessions
with ten saxophones of 1964 in Hollywood, somewhat of a predecessor of Odean Pope's
Saxophone Choir, in a way. Bobby Bradford in his interview of April 30 stressed the importance of
Benny Carter's saxophone writing. Here's Dan Morgenstern's astute remarks:
". . . when you first talk about saxophone sections and rightly mention Duke and Lunceford, you should include Benny Carter,
who may have been the greatest writer for this instrumentation of them all, and for decades--there was the l937 Hawkins All Star Jam Band saxophone quartet
doing Crazy Rhythm and Honeysuckle Rose in Paris, and the revisit to that concept with Further Definitions in 1961...and in 1964, Benny leading 10 other reeds
(a Vee Jay session from which for years only one track was issued until Blue Moon (Spain) put out eight others in '99 (but I don't suggest that being mentioned,
just FYI, kinda fun). But Benny was the King of sax section writing, I humbly submit.
And I'm mystified by your citation of a Trumbauer 1929 recording of his Singin' the Blues transcribed for section--the first instance of that I know of is
Fletcher Henderson's 4/10/31 recording. a Bill Challis arr. (with Rex Stewart doing Bix but the whole sax section doing Tram). I can't find a Jan. 1929 Trumbauer band session.....
PS I saw Supersax in NYC but forget what club it was, except that it was downstairs and maybe on 52nd St...had to be shortlived if there...think Fontana was the brass.
I dug the concept but was sorry that when Warne was in the band he didn't get more to play.....
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
All photos by Mark Weber
Supersax at a morning music clinic and evening concert June 6, 1980
Cal Poly, Pomona, California
Saxes: Med Flory, Jay Migliori, Lanny Morgan, Ray Reed, Jack Nimitz
Bass: Frank De LaRosa
Trumpet: Conte Candoli
Drums: John Dentz
Piano: Lou Levy
Bibliography and sources:
*JazzWax blog interview with Med Flory by Marc Myers
*Jack Goodwin's discography of Warne Marsh > www.warnemarsh.info
*Mark Weber's Thursday KUNM jazz radio show interview's with Med Flory and Lanny Morgan
*telcon w/ Hal McKusick 13apr11
*Med Flory's liner notes to Vol. 1 cd SUPERSAX THE JAPANESE TOUR
*Gene Lee's LIFE OF WOODY HERMAN, p.152
*YouTube : Supersax playing "Night in Tunisia" @ Ford Anson Theatre, probably October 21, 1979
w/ Jay Migliori, Ray Reed, Lanny Morgan, Med Flory, Jack Nimitz (superb solo), Conte Candoli,
John Dentz, Monty Budwig, Lou Levy -- could be the reputed KCET television broadcast footage
professional shot and produced, utilizing at least two cameras -- simulcast over KKGO radio
*Med Flory Archive at Library of Congress
*Leonard Feather liner notes to SUPERSAX PLAYS BIRD (their first LP)
*email consultation with Kirk Silsbee 13apr11
*email consultation with Gary Foster 13apr11 and 15apr11
*email consultation with Connie Crothers 13apr11 and telcom 16apr11
*BIX biography by Jean Pierre Lion (2005)
*email consultation with Ted Brown 16&17apr11
*telcom w/ Med Flory in North Hollywood 17&19&27apr11
*telcon w/ Bill Payne in Vegas 17apr11
*Safford Chamberlain's biography on Warne Marsh AN UNSUNG CAT
*telcon w/ Dick Berk in Portland OR 19apr11
*telcon w/ Charles McPherson in San Diego, CA 22apr11
*telcon w/ Bobby Bradford in Altadena, CA 23&30apr11
*telcon w/ Michael Vlatkovich in Culver City, CA 23apr11
*telcon w/ Lanny Morgan in Van Nuys, CA 24apr11
*telcon w/ David Parlato in Santa Fe, NM 26apr11
*email consultation w/ Dan Morgenstern 4&5may11
(c)2011 Mark Weber